Discussion:
Topband: Base Insulators for Verticals
Donald Chester
2006-09-09 21:06:34 UTC
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Using three separate insulators, one in each leg of a guyed tower, is about
the WORST possible approach. Most insulating material has excellent
compressive strength, but poor tensile strength. With three insulators, one
in each leg, whenever the tower sways, there will be compression on at least
one insualtor, but tension on at least one other. Even a guyed tower will
sway to a certain extent during heavy winds. The risk is that one or more
insualators will crack, or separate from the casting that caps the end of
the insulator.

You seldom, if ever, see such a jury-rigged base insulator on an AM
broadcast tower. The AM base insulator is instead a single insulator
rigidly fastened to the bottom of the tower, with a pier pin either on the
bottom of the insulator casting or the base plate, and a hole in the other.
That way, the insulator can rock and twist on the base plate as the tower
moves during heavy windstorms. The insulator works exactly the same,
mechanically, as the standard base plate/pier pin arrangement used with most
commercial towers.

Ham radio installations are about the only tower applications where the
bottom section of a guyed tower is commonly buried in concrete. I recall
corresponding with the Rohn tower co, back in 1980 when planning my
quarter-wave vertical, and inquired about the special 25G section that was
insulated in the middle with a separate insulator on each leg. At that
time, that section was MUCH cheaper (after accounting for inflation) than it
is now. Their reply was "we do not recommend using this section as the base
insulator in AM-type tower installations."

Examine carefully the separate base insulators used in self-supported AM
towers. Instead of a single ceramic insulator bolted between each leg of
the tower and the concrete base, each insulator consists of two hollow,
cone-shaped insulators back-to-back, with a mechanical configuration
including a metal rod extending through the interior of the assembly
combined with a metal basket-like bracket, configured so that regardless of
whether the force is exerted downwards or upwards, the ceramic insulators
are compressed and never tensed.

A better solution, if a used broadcast tower base insulator cannot be found
(expect to pay well over $1000 for a brand-new 25G base insulator, much
more for a larger tower), would be to use one of the large porcelaine
insulators used in electric power substations. The most appropriate size
would be 4-6 inches in diameter, and about 6" in length. Have a heavy-duty
base plate made to attach to the bottom of the tower, and bolt the insulator
to it. On the bottom end of the insualtor, have a second heavy plate made
to bolt to the other end of the insulator. Stack two heavy plates, if
necessary, to achieve at least 1" of thickness, with a 1" hole drilled
through the centre of the plates. These plates will be bolted to the bottom
of the insulator. They need be no larger in diameter than the end cap on
the insulator. Then have a third plate made, to bolt to the concrete tower
base pier. Weld a piece of 7/8" diameter steel rod to that plate to form a
pier pin. It should be long enough to extend almost entirely through the
piece that is bolted to the bottom of the insulator. The bottom tower
section, with the insulator attached, is placed over the pier pin so that it
the pin extends through the hole in the bottom of the insualtor assembly.
This bottom section is temporarily guyed, until the tower is constructed up
to the first permanent set of guys. This will allow the tower to rock and
twist without stressing the ceramic insulator, and will cost much less than
one of those sets of three tower leg insulators.

Don k4kyv
Tom Rauch
2006-09-10 07:43:43 UTC
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Post by Donald Chester
Using three separate insulators, one in each leg of a
guyed tower, is about
the WORST possible approach. Most insulating material has
excellent
compressive strength, but poor tensile strength. With
three insulators, one
in each leg, whenever the tower sways, there will be
compression on at least
one insualtor, but tension on at least one other. Even a
guyed tower will
sway to a certain extent during heavy winds. The risk is
that one or more
insualators will crack, or separate from the casting that
caps the end of
the insulator.
I agree 100%, but would also add twisting motion to the
problem. Towers also tend to twist in the wind. It's very
important the base be able to rock and slightly twist on
some form of pivot without doing anything but placing the
insulator under compression.

It's far better on guyed towers to bring all three legs to a
single point or a very stiff flat plate and have the tower
sit on a single pin on top of or below an insulator.

There are cases where multiple insulators are used, such as
self supporting towers, but the insulators aren't something
turned from some plastic that doesn't even weather well. The
insulators I've seen in those towers are also designed to
stay in compression.

It's one thing with a 30 foot vertical, but when we start
getting out to a hundred feet it's time to be careful and do
things the right way.

73 Tom
Jon Zaimes AA1K
2006-09-10 12:40:37 UTC
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Post by Donald Chester
Using three separate insulators, one in each leg of a
Post by Donald Chester
guyed tower, is about
the WORST possible approach.
I have several towers using 6-8 inch diameter power line ceramic insulators at the base. Any one of these would support the tower, but using three meant I could use one under each leg rather than having to reinforce the standard steel plate on a BPC-25G or BPC-55G.

The bottom of the insulators is attached to a second steel plate that sits on a pier pin, so that gives some "flex" to the system and allows for rotation of the tower in high winds. My 160-meter tower has been in service more than 8 years, through some 60-80 mph windstorms. No sign of cracking or deteroriation of the insulators.

To test the original insulators, I took a spare, cracked one and put it between a couple of boards, then drove over it with my Jeep a few times.

Some pix of these at www.aa1k.us under "towers"

YMMV but this works for me.

73/Jon AA1K
Tim Duffy K3LR
2006-09-11 18:58:16 UTC
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Hello Mark!

This 160 meter vertical Yagi array is well documented in the ON4UN Low Band book
(last two editions).

I think 6 parasitics may not be justified. The half power beam width is large
enough off the front of this 3 element vertical Yagi (equivalent)
that the gain nulls at the adjacent pattern cross points are small. I've never
found the gain null to be a problem when working DX with this array.
The pattern is very tight on the back lobe as well (F/B is at least 30 dB at the
optimized frequency point which is 1830 KHz in my array).
6 parasitics would require two additional ground fields. It is bad enough
installing 5!

AA1K does have an additional director in his 45 degree array making it 4
elements in that direction.
I think that is a great idea and the NEC model also indicates increased gain
(narrows the beam width of the forward lobe).

AA1K, VE3EJ and others have built this antenna. It is a tremendous performer for
Top Band!

73!
Tim K3LR

There are pictures of this antenna at http://www.k3lr.com
It seems like the K3LR array could be built with 6 parasitics, and
switchable in 6 directions (i.e. hexagonal instead of square). Do you have
a gut feeling on this?
W0UN -- John Brosnahan
2006-09-10 13:39:27 UTC
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OPTIONS

While I can't argue with the logic expressed here concerning
ceramic insulators, I must point out that they were designed
during a time when there weren't many choices for materials
and for an application that often involved 50 KW or more into
a NON-resonant antenna. Most AM towers are NOT resonant
at their operating frequency, meaning that their base insulators
may have to withstand higher voltages or currents than would
be expected in a resonant system.

Ceramic has great compressive strength but performs poorly
in tension loading, which is why ceramic egg insulators are
designed so that the load is applied in compression.

But in this modern era there are a lot of other alternatives, many
with good tensile strength as well as compression strength. I have
been using fiberglass rod insulators in my 160M 4-square for more
than 15 years with NO problems, as have many others. G10/FR4
Fiberglass performs very well in tension as well as in compression
as shown by the fact that there are many fiberglass GUYS that are
loaded in tension.

The main DISADVANTAGE with fiberglass is that it does not
handle UV exposure very well compared to ceramic insulators.
But this can easily be addressed in any number of ways -- covering
with good quality electrical tape, heat shrink tubing, or with a
quality marine paint.

In my specific installation I have 160 ft towers of Rohn 25 with an
elevated feed point at the 25 ft level. While my Colorado location
is not the windiest part of Colorado it does get winds up to the
80 mph on occasion and gets "Wyoming" winds much of the winter
where it can see 20-30 mph winds for days on end.

Now that I have moved to Texas I will be taking down the 4-square
and will give the insulators a very serious inspection, but I think
my 15 years of experience with no failures speaks for itself.

As the price of insulated sections for Rohn 25 have soared and
as the alternative insulator options have also increased in price,
I have considered making my design available commercially. But
my design involves some work since the insulators are inserted
into the middle of a section rather than between sections -- in order
to avoid having to reduce the diameter of the insulators to something
that would fit into the swaged ends of the legs at the top of a section.

John W0UN
Roy Morgan
2006-09-12 13:43:42 UTC
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Post by Tom Rauch
Post by Donald Chester
Using three separate insulators, one in each leg of a
guyed tower, is about the WORST possible approach.
...
Post by Tom Rauch
It's far better on guyed towers to bring all three legs to a
single point or a very stiff flat plate and have the tower
sit on a single pin on top of or below an insulator.
TopBanders,

I offer as an example some photos of the 1200 foot tower (now gone) at NSS
Annapolis Naval Communications Station.

The website with a number of pictures:
http://hawkins.pair.com/nss.shtml

A shot of the base of the tower. Note that the lower anti-corona ring is
roughly SHOULDER high, and each of the six main load bearing insulators is
the size of a large trash can.
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Somewhere in that assembly is a hemispherical bearing that allows for
slight tilting motion it all directions. The antenna, a mile long in
total, operated at roughly 800,000 watts at 20.4 Kilocycles.

This picture shows the lighting isolation transformer at the central
tower. The people give scale to the insulators used. The upper corona
ring is roughly 10 feet in diameter This assembly does not carry any
weight, but just provides RF-isolated lighting power for tower lights.
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A further note: information at the bottom of the page about white noise
being transmitted does not apply to this transmitter. It sent narrow band
frequency shift keyed teletype signals. The Mark and Space frequencies,
even though separated by a very small degree, fell down the slope on each
side of the antenna response curve. A common Tektronix oscilloscope
monitored antenna current and allowed the operator to tune the antenna for
equal currents for mark and Space. The information was encrypted, likely
at Norfolk, and sent to the transmitter site in Maryland via land lines (at
least). The operators said they never knew what was being transmitted.

Roy

- Roy Morgan, K1LKY since 1959 - Keep 'em Glowing
13033 Downey Mill Road, Lovettsville, VA 20180
Phone 540-822-5911 Cell 301-928-7794
Work: Voice: 301-975-3254, Fax: 301-975-6097
roy.morgan at nist.gov --
Michael Rauh
2006-09-10 13:09:07 UTC
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--- Donald Chester <k4kyv at hotmail.com> wrote:

Using three separate insulators, one in each leg of a guyed tower, is about
the WORST possible approach.

--- Tom Rauch <w8ji at contesting.com> wrote:

It's very important the base be able to rock and slightly twist on
some form of pivot without doing anything but placing the
insulator under compression.

---

I agree and I felt very uncomfortable with the tower leg insulators for that
reason. Tower leg insulators seem to be the only type readily available to
hams.

I can fabricate a full pivot base. The base is free to rotate (slightly) in
the x, y and z planes. I could then mount the leg insulators above the base.
How does that sound?

Mike W8GT
armin.ficza
2006-09-13 03:04:32 UTC
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Maybe you can use this as a reference :)

http://hawkins.pair.com/nss.shtml

Its amazing... There is a picture about base insulator.

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