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Topband: Matching network info for 80 & 160M needed
Gary Marks
2014-09-22 16:48:21 UTC
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I have an Inverted-L antenna for 80M & 160M and would like to make or buy a remote matching system that would work on both ends of both bands that would accept full power.
I built a system many years ago from a Doug DeMaw, W1FB, article in the May 1985 issue of QST but it has never worked as well as I wanted for whatever reason.
If anyone is interested, this article can be found at the ARRL QST archives http://www.arrl.org/arrl-periodicals-archive-search by entering W1FB , 1985, May, QST.

Anyone have an idea of a matching system that would do all of the above ?
Herbert Schoenbohm
2014-09-22 17:30:29 UTC
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If the inverted "L" is made to be 3/8ths wave long on 160 meters it can
be feed as a 3/4 wave on 80 meters. In this case only a series capacitor
to tune out the TB inductive reactance is needed on 160 meters and a
shorting switch for using the same wire on 80 meters. A large open frame
relay should sufficient unless you are running super QRO.

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ
Post by Gary Marks
I have an Inverted-L antenna for 80M & 160M and would like to make or buy a remote matching system that would work on both ends of both bands that would accept full power.
I built a system many years ago from a Doug DeMaw, W1FB, article in the May 1985 issue of QST but it has never worked as well as I wanted for whatever reason.
If anyone is interested, this article can be found at the ARRL QST archives http://www.arrl.org/arrl-periodicals-archive-search by entering W1FB , 1985, May, QST.
Anyone have an idea of a matching system that would do all of the above ?
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Fortra
2014-09-22 18:56:03 UTC
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Hi Gary,

there was an article in recent issue of ARRL QST, A 20 and 40 meter Vertical
on "Autopilot",
from QST september 2005 by Dan Richardson, K6MHE...same article ended up in
ARRL"
" More vertical Antenna Classics :)

Use heavy duty compononets, treat 160 m vertical as 1/4 lambda and 80 meters
as
1/2 lambda...let us know :)

You might have followeres..

Kr Nermin S58DX

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Subject: Topband: Matching network info for 80 & 160M needed
Post by Gary Marks
I have an Inverted-L antenna for 80M & 160M and would like to make or buy a
remote matching system that would work on both ends of both bands that
would accept full power.
I built a system many years ago from a Doug DeMaw, W1FB, article in the
May 1985 issue of QST but it has never worked as well as I wanted for
whatever reason.
If anyone is interested, this article can be found at the ARRL QST
archives http://www.arrl.org/arrl-periodicals-archive-search by entering
W1FB , 1985, May, QST.
Anyone have an idea of a matching system that would do all of the above ?
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Richard (Rick) Karlquist
2014-09-22 19:17:42 UTC
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Post by Gary Marks
I have an Inverted-L antenna for 80M & 160M and would like to make or buy a remote matching system that would work on both ends of both bands that would accept full power.
I have a 90 foot top loaded vertical on 160 meter
that is resonant on 1830 with just the top loading
wires. If I measure the impedance of it on 80
meters, it is somewhere around 1000 ohms and resonant
somewhere in the 80 meter band. It would be
possible to build a dedicated match for each band
and then switch between them. The component values
are so vastly different that you need separate
networks.

What I actually do is have a relay at the 60 foot
point in the vertical that disconnects the top
30 feet of the antenna for 80 meters. MUCH simpler
than matching to ~1000 ohms.

Rick N6RK
Dan Maguire via Topband
2014-09-26 16:30:58 UTC
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There was an article in recent issue of ARRL QST, A 20 and 40 meter Vertical on "Autopilot", ...
That article by K6MHE is available here:

http://k6mhe.com/files/DualBandVert.pdf

And here's a blog entry and a corresponding YouTube video by AB8XX for a similar 80m/40m antenna:

http://ab8xx.blogspot.com/2008/12/80m40m-dual-band-vertical.html


This entire system, antenna plus "autopilot" matching network, can be modeled using AutoEZ and the EZNEC "L Networks" feature.

A conventional low pass L network has an inductor in the series branch and a capacitor in the shunt branch. However, EZNEC L networks can have compound components in each branch. Hence the matching network can be modeled like this (from the K6MHE article).

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Here is the AutoEZ L Networks table with variables K-L-M being used for the component C1-L1-C2 values. The source is on V1, the network input port. The network output port is the antenna feedpoint.

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The following extract from the AutoEZ Variables sheet tab shows the initial values for the K6MHE 40m/20m setup. Instructions for setting the initial network component values (variables K-L-M) are found in additional comments on the sheet, not shown.

Note that ground loss due to a less than perfect radial field is simulated using variable D in conjunction with MININEC-type ground; actual radials are not included in the model (although you may add them if you wish and change to High Accuracy ground). Approximate ground loss values are: 4 radials, 29 ohms; 8 radials, 18 ohms; 16 radials, 9 ohms; 32 radials, 4 ohms.

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With the C1-L1-C2 component values as set above, the L network look like this when the model is passed to EZNEC.

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Once the initial network values are set, the AutoEZ optimizer can be used to adjust components C1, L1, and C2 (variables K-L-M) to produce the lowest possible SWR at the two midband frequencies.

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After optimization, here are the final SWR values for seven 40m frequencies and eight 20m frequencies. This is similar to Fig 5 in the K6MHE article except that all frequencies are shown on a single chart. (Blue markup added for clarity.)

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Doing the same kind of analysis for 160m/80m (with radiator length "B" = 132 ft) gives these SWR values, this time shown with a different scale for SWR (on the right). The midband SWR values are fine (remember, right scale) but because of the relatively wider widths of 160 and 80 the band edge SWR values are higher.

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Of course it would be possible to use relays to implement two different "autopilot" matching networks, one for the low end of 160 and 80 and a second for the high end of the bands; I didn't model that.

For those who already have AutoEZ (http://ac6la.com/autoez.html) or who would like to experiment with the free demo version, here is the model used for this study.

http://ac6la.com/adhoc/DualBandVert.weq

Download that file, use the "Open Model File" button, then tab to the Variables sheet to get started. As downloaded, the model is ready to be optimized (Optimize tab, "Start" button) and then calculated over multiple frequencies (Calculate tab, "Calculate All" button). The number of segments has been set to allow use with the free demo version.

I'll be happy to answer any questions even if you are using the demo version of AutoEZ.

One last thing. Nermin, S58DX, has a really cute Golden Retriever:

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Being a dog lover I just had to include that link!

Dan, AC6LA
http://ac6la.com

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